Sync, timing and when the column is done
Out of sync means the two sides are uneven, and the controller can fix it. Out of time means the top and bottom of one side are uneven, and only re-meshing that column's racks fixes it.
The short version
- Out of sync: one end of the room leads the other, top and bottom even. Resync with the switch.
- Out of time: on one side, the top or the bottom sticks out farther. Resync won't touch it.
- Resync: full out, hold until the motors stop, back in 1 to 2 in, repeat until both stop together.
- Lippert's check: column edge to rack face 2-1/2 in, plus or minus 1/8 in, at all four corners, full out and 3 in from closed.
- Damaged shoes, gouged racks or broken teeth mean new parts, and Lippert's inverted-rack TSB replaces both sides.
Sync versus time
Sync is side to side. The controller counts each motor's pulses and references them to the ends of travel. When the room doesn't reach full in or full out, from low voltage, an interrupted move or a bind, the count drifts and one end leads. The motors stop at different times and the room sits crooked in the opening.
Time is top to bottom on one side. The torque shaft turns the upper and lower spur gears together, so the racks stay in step unless one jumps a tooth. Lippert's assembly manual puts it simply: when the system is out of time, either the top or the bottom extends farther than the other. The controller can't see that, because it's all one motor.
Resynchronizing the motors
This is the current Lippert procedure from the owner's and service manuals. Get the voltage right first, or the resync just fails again.
- Lippert's 2020 retiming article describes the same fix with longer cycles: out fully, back in 8 to 10 in, at least three times.
- Prevention: hold the switch 3 to 5 seconds at the end of every stroke so the controller sees its zero point.
- Fully extend the room with the switch and keep holding until the motors shut off on their own.
- Retract the room 1 to 2 in.
- Repeat until both motors shut off at the same time. Two or three cycles is normal.
- Fully extend, then fully retract, holding the switch each time until the motors stop.
- Both motors stopping together at both ends means it's in sync. If not, repeat.
Measure before you decide
When a resync doesn't settle it, measure. Lippert's tolerance check (the QR-085 forms) measures from the outside edge of the column to the face of the gear rack at all four corners, once fully extended and once with the room 3 in from fully retracted. Non-standard installs use the RV maker's numbers.
Separately, measure how far the room sticks out at the top and bottom of each end. That's your sync-or-time answer.
| What you see | What it means |
|---|---|
| One end ahead, top and bottom even on each end | Out of sync. Voltage, then resync. |
| Top and bottom differ on one end, other end even | That column is out of time. Re-mesh its racks. |
| Column edge to rack face outside 2-3/8 to 2-5/8 in at any corner | Out of Lippert's tolerance. Find out why before replacing parts. |
| Racks more than 1/8 in out of parallel | Out of tolerance. Racks must be parallel. |
| Seal binding, or not about 1/4 in of overlap | Seal fit problem (lesson 7). |
Re-timing a column
Re-timing means getting the column off the room and re-meshing the racks on the spur gears. Lippert's TI-177 covers the removal: room out until about 8 in is still inside, the room supported on a floor jack, a 2x4 on edge on top of the room between the T-molding and the sidewall, motor unplugged, the column's caulk bead cut and its screws out. Then a jumper from a spare harness to a drill battery runs that motor to walk the column away from the wall.
On the bench, the timing itself follows the assembly manual: slide the notched end of each rack onto its bearing block shoe until the spur gear engages, turn the torque shaft by hand until both racks sit at the start of the gear, and press down on one rack. Both should move together. Center the column without covering any rack screw holes, reinstall the motor, then measure from the column to the end of each rack: the numbers must match.
Reinstall per TI-177: OEM sealant down the H-column's inside edge, the lower rack's lip tight to the bottom of the room, and each rack set to the center-to-center spacing you recorded before removal so they stay parallel and square. Screw the column by each rack and in the middle first, then the rest. Resync when both sides are done.
Careful: Before you loosen a column, support the room with a floor jack and set the 2x4 as Lippert specifies. Once the column screws and racks are loose, that side of the room can drop or roll.
When it's a column replacement
If the shoes are damaged, racks are gouged, teeth are broken or bearing block rivets are sheared, re-timing won't last. Lippert's TSB 146-001-2022 (now revision C, August 2024) covers inverted gear rack systems built about October 2021 through January 2022 with guide shoe damage. It requires inspection first: obstructions, damaged wiper seals and out-of-spec measurements have to be fixed before the kit goes on. Only inoperable or jammed systems are replaced, and both sides get replaced together.
Order by the variant tag on the H-column and the rack profile (standard or inverted; Lippert's QR-078 compares them and QR-158 covers ordering standard racks to replace inverted). Individual parts from the TSB kit include spur gear 238893, V-roller 292801, upper bearing block 299076 and lower bearing block 299075; Lippert also sells bearing block kit 379060.
On the job
- Look at both ends from outside: one end ahead (sync), or the top and bottom of one end different (time)?
- Sync: check voltage at the controller, then run Lippert's resync and confirm both motors stop together at both ends.
- Still crooked: measure column edge to rack face at all four corners, full out and 3 in from closed, and check parallel.
- Inspect racks, shoes, spur gears and V-rollers for gouges, broken teeth and debris.
- Out of time with clean parts: support the room, pull the column and re-mesh the racks.
- Damaged parts: order by the variant tag and rack profile, and check for an open TSB.
- Resync after any column work, then measure again.
Numbers
- Resync back-off: retract 1 to 2 in between full-out cycles, 2 or 3 cycles typical
- Hold at end of stroke: 3 to 5 s (Lippert, 2020)
- Column edge to rack face: 2-1/2 in, plus or minus 1/8 in, all 4 corners, full out and 3 in from closed (standard installs)
- Rack parallel: less than 1/8 in difference
- Seal engagement: no binding, 1/4 in nominal overlap
- Column removal: room out until about 8 in remains inside (TI-177)
- TSB 146-001-2022C: inverted gear rack systems built about Oct 2021 to Jan 2022
Shop tip
Photograph the variant tag and both ends of a rack before you call for parts. Lippert's parts people need the profile and the notch, and a wrong guess means a second order.
Where this comes from
- Lippert, In-Wall Slide-out Owner's Manual, CCD-0001602, Rev 04.19.23, p. 9: resync
- Lippert, In-Wall Slide-out Service Manual, Rev 06.14.2016, pp. 8, 9, 21: resync, measurements
- Lippert, In-Wall Slide-Out Assembly Manual, Rev 05.12.21, pp. 3 to 4: out of time, timing procedure
- Lippert TI-177, CCD-0002078, Rev 08.28.18, pp. 3 to 6: removal, installation, synchronizing
- Lippert TSB 146-001-2022C (Aug 7, 2024) and QR-085D Rev 08.06.24, with Keystone KSB-220630 (NHTSA MC-11006594)
- Lippert TSB 146-001-2022 (June 24, 2022), kit parts list (NHTSA MC-10224798)
- Lippert blog, Retiming a Schwintek slide out and preventing syncing issues, May 1, 2020